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state law is also broken. typically in a terrorism context, domestically, we'd see that prosecution and several avenues to pursue the death penalty against the suspect. >> okay. thank you for that, ari. joining us now, again, james cavanaugh, hostage negotiator at the atf, as well as special agent in charge and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only person they're looking for. some folks were being allowed to leave work and go home. we also heard from governor patrick people should stay in their homes. putting all of these pieces together in your opinion, do they have dzhokhar cornered or do not know where he is? >> well, i think they think they have him in an area near watertown that's a block or some houses you keep seeing on the feed there. they think he's in there. they've set up a heavy perimeter there with the s.w.a.t. and srt teams and doing a methodical search. fact th
state law is also broken. typically in a terrorism context, domestically, we'd see that prosecution and several avenues to pursue the death penalty against the suspect. >> okay. thank you for that, ari. joining us now, again, james cavanaugh, hostage negotiator at the atf, as well as special agent in charge and former fbi criminal profiler clint van zandt. james, clear up something for me based on what we just heard. they're no longer looking for a third person. dzhokhar is the only...
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intelligence law enforcement working on it very hard. and was it the older brother -- i mean, we already saw on one of his websites earlier today, we actually used some of the language that bin laden used in 1996 where he called for war against the united states. so was it the brother, the older brother that brought the younger brother. i think we'll be hearing a lot from behaviorists from the upcoming days about what kind of impact, was there hero syndrome and how much was the younger brother really bought into this whole thing. >> yeah, there's been a lot of discussion today, robert, about radicalization within families and how that actually is a growing trend, at least among some ethnic groups is. that true? >> well, listen. you know, bin laden is dead. and the al qaeda under bin laden is not the same. that bin ladenism, that al qaedaism, because of the lack of a counternarrative in a lot of places like we're seeing in north africa and other places, it still has a very potent and toxic effect. thankfully, in the united states, we've h
intelligence law enforcement working on it very hard. and was it the older brother -- i mean, we already saw on one of his websites earlier today, we actually used some of the language that bin laden used in 1996 where he called for war against the united states. so was it the brother, the older brother that brought the younger brother. i think we'll be hearing a lot from behaviorists from the upcoming days about what kind of impact, was there hero syndrome and how much was the younger brother...
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help. >>> to politics now where the newtown families are vowing to keep up the fight for tougher gun laws. one father called the whole thing a political game and said he won't go away. >>> the cokoch brothers are looking into buying "the l.a. times" and "chicago tribune." they invested hundreds of millions of dollars and given them to conservative and liqu libertarian causes. >> on thursday, george w. bush will be at his library but then says he'll step back and stay in touch with relatives includes his new grandchild. >>> president obama will host the white house science fair. last year the big hit was the president checking out the marshmallow cannon. >>> my must read is the story of tamerlan tsarnaev's wife described as the all-american girl. the mother of his young child. it's on our facebook page. what do you think? that's great. it won't take long, will it? nah. okay. this, won't take long will it? no, not at all. how many of these can we do on our budget? more than you think. didn't take very long, did it? this spring, dig in and save. that's nice. post it. already did. more saving
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though nbc news is reporting law enforcement may know where this person is. the entear tire city of boston is under orders. they have put a no-fly order over watertown, massachusetts. >>> i'm marla tallez. >> i'm laura garcia cannon. let's go straight to terry mcsweeney. what are you seeing out there? >> reporter: i see the police helicopter that we have been mentioning continues to stay overhead in a certain area of watertown. as you mentioned, police believe they know where suspect number two is holed up right now. it is not a matter of going in and getting him. an extremely dangerous man. possibly he has explosives tied to him. he threw some, one with his brother, at the police as they chased him. a bomb squad truck comes through. another vehicle with lights flashing. the suspect certainly had explosives last night as they were chased to waltertown after killing. it was confirmed after the suv, they got another pickup truck and drove it here. suspect number one, dead. suspect number two believed to be here in watertown. i keep watching this police helicopt
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that was mostly law enforcement. i'm afraid he's in the boat and he's wounded by those police combat rifles and that he's bleeding out severely and they cannot get to him because of the fear of having a suicide vest on, i'm afraid this terrorist is going to bleed out in the boat and that may be his fate. normally police would rush up, even though he just shot at them and they would apply pressure, tourniquets, life saving ambulance, you can't do that here. what you've got to do is get the robot to go up there, look in there, see if there's a bomb and if there's not try to look around. if there is a bomb, dismantle the bomb. i would say this doesn't bode well for him surviving because if he's bleeding and he's going to be bleeding after that exchange, he's not probably going to last very long. >> let me play it again for everyone who just missed that. this is quite dramatic. here's the shooting apparently of the suspect. [ gunfire ] >> you know, clint van zandt, we've been through a lot of these and it's like from a n
that was mostly law enforcement. i'm afraid he's in the boat and he's wounded by those police combat rifles and that he's bleeding out severely and they cannot get to him because of the fear of having a suicide vest on, i'm afraid this terrorist is going to bleed out in the boat and that may be his fate. normally police would rush up, even though he just shot at them and they would apply pressure, tourniquets, life saving ambulance, you can't do that here. what you've got to do is get the robot...
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law enforcement hopes he's still there. because, otherwise, they've really got their work cut out for them, trying to find him. >> we've been reporting these brothers came from a russian region near chechnya, but the older brother, dead, tamerlan tsarnaev, has been living in america since 2007. tell me your thoughts on what happened here. he's living in america since '07 and at some point, turns and decides he wants to kill americans. what would be your take in terms of the psychology and what these two are thinking or were thinking? >> well, we don't know, but we're about to find out. some say there might be a hybrid here, like major nidal hasan was radicalized via the internet, yet there was another soldier at ft. hood, an enlisted man, who built two explosive devices just like the ones we see used in boston because he had access to the same internet magazines that these guys did, but at ft. hood, he used it to kill soldiers for his own personal reasons, not necessarily anything that had to do with religion or politics. i
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law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that was quite an amazing thing from his perspective about u ultimately knowing what that gets you. >> the existence of that data, the existence of the data in the public sphere, the data being sent to police and the way in which the kind of crowd sourcing amateur investigation was intersecting with, sometimes derailing the official investigation, the way that things that were spotted on an internet thread would end up in an official's e-mail which would then end up back reported out. >> we have lessons about how this might look going
law enforcement in the u.s. rather than pakistan. >> i was talking to the fbi agent who started boston's first join the terrorism task force. among the things he was amazed to really talk about is that back in the '80s and '90s, you simply didn't have everyone walking around with a miniaturized and exceptionally powerful surveillance tool that could then be called upon to turn a fleeting moment of existence and a memory that might fade into data that can be harvested and analyzed. that...
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there is a provision that allows in case law that allows for law enforcement to wait if they think there is a national security threat or a danger to the public until they've talked to the person and established there isn't a danger to the public or gotten the information they need. then they can read the miranda rights. that's what the fbi has done in this case. that's what they did in the new york time square bomber. that worked quite well. they talk to him for a while before they read him his rights. then they read him his rights. he kept and he provided very valuable information. we know that the traditional civilian court system founded by the founding fathers can work in this situation. >> let me ask you a couple questions. if the russian government was so concerned about tamerlan as to alert our fbi and our government, and warrant an investigation of him, why are we so sure that dzhokhar is not connected to a cell of some sort back at home that might then make him an enemy combatant and then, two, if he is name an enemy combatant and treated as an everybody me combatant, that does
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this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been tremendous liability and panic and risk. by releasing it at 5:00 p.m., it happened when they were asleep. they anticipated that this could happen and it did. they are controlling the city as best they can. i think it was strategic to do it this way. >> they are not stopping the investigation while this is going on. they have been looking carefully at the bomb components and they are trying to use that information to track where the components came from. potentially to lead them to other accomplices that they may be. >> no question about it. examining the and the components allows you to trace back to the manuf
this is a universal law enforcement effort to get it done. >> in terms of law enforcement when you pursue someone like this, this is the worst case scenario. is it not someone not hesitant to kill and not afraid to die. >> not afraid. one of the reasons i believe that the police waited until 5:00 yesterday to release the photos was to wait until the president was out of town. wait until the crowd at the service was dispursed. if they released the photo earlier, there would have been...
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new jersey's existing gun laws are already among the strictest in the nation. by the way, christie's move is a reminder he's still running for re-election, not for 2016 yet. >>> as we wait for formal charges to be brought against the 19-year-old marathon bombing suspect federal and state authorities are trying to determine what led up to last monday's attack and what red flags might have been missed. for more on that joined by nbc's national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. it seems to me the unanswered question everybody would like to know of, number one, where did these guys test? nobody believes this was the first time they did these bombs on monday. that they must have tested them somewhere. the second, what was tamerlan, the older brother, doing in russia for six months? >> reporter: exactly. there's so many unanswered questions here. but let's start with the -- that russian report to the fbi in 2011 asking them to investigate tamerlan. what sparked that -- the russian request? what information do they have? the fbi says that the russians didn'
new jersey's existing gun laws are already among the strictest in the nation. by the way, christie's move is a reminder he's still running for re-election, not for 2016 yet. >>> as we wait for formal charges to be brought against the 19-year-old marathon bombing suspect federal and state authorities are trying to determine what led up to last monday's attack and what red flags might have been missed. for more on that joined by nbc's national investigative correspondent michael isikoff....
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law enforcement wants to enter on their own time and take their time. they don't want to do a tactical entry unless they have no other choice for fear that somebody could get hurt to include this young man and people in law enforcement. >> we have former agent james cavanaugh with us. james, if you are with us, we have three crime scenes as clint has been talking about. that is part of the mosaic. what would your strategy bes we enter in? what is more or less hour 13 of what started yesterday? >> i agree with everything clint said and if i was commanding the tactical operation and trying to negotiate with the guy and the major talka thon. the negotiators really do want him to come out on his own. there is humanity here. we want him to surrounder. he is the guy with the information. we talked to roger about the community and all that information. he is exactly right. i agree with them. for the instant scene, you just have to get that information from him. >> thank you so much there for your perspective. james cavanaugh and kerry sanders has been watching
law enforcement wants to enter on their own time and take their time. they don't want to do a tactical entry unless they have no other choice for fear that somebody could get hurt to include this young man and people in law enforcement. >> we have former agent james cavanaugh with us. james, if you are with us, we have three crime scenes as clint has been talking about. that is part of the mosaic. what would your strategy bes we enter in? what is more or less hour 13 of what started...
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a lot of law enforcement involved in that. to assist that we have suspended all service on mvta, our public transit service and that will continue until we think it's safe to open all or some of that. we're asking people to shelter in place. in other words to stay indoors with their doors locked and not to open the door for anyone other than a properly identified law enforcement officer and that applies here in watertown, where we are right now, also cambridge, newton, belmont and at this point all of boston. all of boston. this is a serious situation. we're taking it seriously. we're asking the public to take it seriously as well and to assist law enforcement by following those simple instructions. we have every asset that we can possibly muster on the ground right now. they are doing a terrific job and working in concert with each other. we are going to need the public to help us help them stay safe. where are you, commissioner? >> right behind you, governor. thank you, governor. this is a rapidly developing situation. withi
a lot of law enforcement involved in that. to assist that we have suspended all service on mvta, our public transit service and that will continue until we think it's safe to open all or some of that. we're asking people to shelter in place. in other words to stay indoors with their doors locked and not to open the door for anyone other than a properly identified law enforcement officer and that applies here in watertown, where we are right now, also cambridge, newton, belmont and at this point...
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that's the single element i think that runs through all of american law enforcement. when events like this occur, the nation is always reminded you have your bravery, but unfortunately having attended so many funerals and memorial services for law enforcement officers in my career, i not only think of your bravery, but the first thoughts i have is of your families. because every day when you get up and pin on that shield and walk out that door, your husband, your wife, your mother, your father, your brother, your sister, they know -- they know it's naggy that anything could happen. yesterday they assistant with you, they support you, and they have the courage to encourage you. to do what you do. so i want to thank not only sean's family for their willingness to support their brother, their son, taking on this work, but all of your husbands and wives, fathers and mothers, and children, we owe you so much more than just honoring you on days of grief and celebration. there's a line from an english poet keats. he said -- they also serve who only stand and wait. your famil
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it's a matter for law enforcement. now on the question of the public safety exception. it is not necessary that the individual be designated an enemy combatant in order for him to be questioned without giving him miranda warnings, the exception emanates from a supreme court decision in the early '80s, called new york versus quarrels. the criminal suspect in that situation was not a terrorist, he was not part of any enemy force. he was arrested in a grocery store in queens. and the police asked him where is the loaded gun. he had a gun with him. they couldn't find it. and for public safety reasons, they needed to find the loaded weapon quickly. and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all wit
it's a matter for law enforcement. now on the question of the public safety exception. it is not necessary that the individual be designated an enemy combatant in order for him to be questioned without giving him miranda warnings, the exception emanates from a supreme court decision in the early '80s, called new york versus quarrels. the criminal suspect in that situation was not a terrorist, he was not part of any enemy force. he was arrested in a grocery store in queens. and the police asked...
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we have 50 massachusetts national guardsmen in watertown in a staging area with law enforcement. the entire city of boston is now being asked to shelter in place, as law enforcement officials methodically search for the second suspect and possibly concerned about a third. joining me live in watertown, katy tur, describe the scene that you're witnessing right now. >> it has got an lot more act aive here in the past few minutes. a police helicopter that is circling this area for the last 20 minutes or so. they are circling the area which is right over here, diagonal from where i am. we did see police cruisers speed that way and arm aered vehicles speed that way and we are hearing reports of some activity. we have reporters that are closer to the scene and they are saying that it does appear a bomb squad is going into a house. it's much more active than it was a few minutes ago. to give you an idea of where we are in relation to how everything has been happening. the shootout that happened early this morning happened in this general vicinity happened a couple blocks from here. that'
we have 50 massachusetts national guardsmen in watertown in a staging area with law enforcement. the entire city of boston is now being asked to shelter in place, as law enforcement officials methodically search for the second suspect and possibly concerned about a third. joining me live in watertown, katy tur, describe the scene that you're witnessing right now. >> it has got an lot more act aive here in the past few minutes. a police helicopter that is circling this area for the last 20...
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he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical information we have, dzhokhar, who is the surviving suspect here, dzhokhar tsarnaev, is in hospital. tamerlan born in kyrgystan, comes in 2002. he becomes a u.s. citizen, 9/11/2012. he was a wrestler, enrolled at the university of massachusetts-dartmouth. so many friends talking so positively about him. tamerlan, his older brother, does that travel. he comes later than his younger brother. he was mayrried, had a 3-year-od daughter. had a domestic violence incident. he dropped out of community colle college. he was a competitive boxer. people speaking very
he was here as a lawful resident. did he -- the thing i think that's the biggest question for investigators now is, "a," why did he turn this way? but, "b," where did he get his expertise in explosives? where did he practice them? it seems really unlikely these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. where did he learn to do that? where did he practice? those are the big questions. >> we look at the pictures of the suspects and biographical...
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. >> the law was in 1984 . that is what it at that time. since then specifically after the times square bombing in 2010, >> attempted. >> the f.b.i. put out a memo that addresses the terrorist cases that they could expand the time in which they can question a suspect without reading them their rights. the question is how long of a time is there. we don't know the answer. >> was it not the letter of the law. but was it the intent of the law to stop an imminent threat against the people. for instance times square bomber had blown something out there and had blown something that the authorities needed to know about it >> it is it just a different thing and we don't know if there is someone in chicago and philadelphia and california and that the nature of terrorism is different. we'll expand this exception. this is not the law, shep. it is just a memo . there was talk too. as to whether or not it should go before congress. they fement it appropriate at the time. they could determine if there intelligence or not. >> and so they have a good case
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i want to bring in now nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, who's been in touch with his law enforcement sources on this story all night. pete, what can you tell us? >> well, i guess there's several things we're trying to nail down. i guess the big question here now is who are they? we've heard from a couple of officials that they don't have a positive identification on them, but they've been tentatively identified. they believe, at least it's the initial assessment of the two law enforcement people i've talked to, that they came to the u.s. about a year ago. we don't know precisely from where. they may have some -- a bit of military experience overseas, which could possibly explain their facility with explosives. and that is our operating assumption right now. it appears that this all started when they tried to rob a 7-eleven tonight. a policeman responded. they killed the policeman. that set off all this whole chain of events to the carjacking, to the point that one of them stopped the car in watertown, massachusetts. the other got out with an improvised bomb strapped to hi
i want to bring in now nbc news justice correspondent pete williams, who's been in touch with his law enforcement sources on this story all night. pete, what can you tell us? >> well, i guess there's several things we're trying to nail down. i guess the big question here now is who are they? we've heard from a couple of officials that they don't have a positive identification on them, but they've been tentatively identified. they believe, at least it's the initial assessment of the two...
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a local what's not enough there's a law in the local needs you want a community l.n.g. mold and will be used. you've just done for a match up artist i was fired i was fired. all fired. by a right. choose your language. make it with know if. it's the it's the consensus. choose the opinions that you. choose the stories that entire life choose me access to often. reluctantly. goodspeed. will eagerly lose sleep. little. love. a little relief. hello. there remaining suspect in the monday's marathon attacks is captured alive off to a field standoff with police in the boston suburb he and his brother who was killed in an area gunfight are being investigated for links with extremist groups in the north caucasus. meanwhile argy spoke exclusively to his a mother the alleged bombers who says he had children the web constantly monitored by the f.b.i. . and could never have carried out a terror attack. the bombings and mortar fire had polling stations on the rocks of first opposed to war election she reports of from the heart all the unrest flags flying over the us jet over insurrec
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i won't second-guess the law enforcement community on this one. i do wonder why not. i'm not going to second-guess. >> right now you would lean on the side of get the public's help. if we have pictures. you think some of the concern is what if these aren't the guys or if they're not at 100%, is that the issue you think potentially that they don't want to put these two people on here and what if it turns out they weren't a part of it? >> that's part of the psychology of resistance. you don't want to falsely accuse. i haven't seen videos nor has anyone else. they seem pretty confident that they either were involved directly, indirectly, perhaps had more information about it. for that reason again unless you thought they just suddenly came to the boston area and they hadn't laid down roots, they were not living there, they weren't conducting their personal affairs in the community, releasing it wouldn't do you much good. chances are good there's a presence in or around boston and they went through various activities like all of us do. gas, groceries, apartment, whatever.
i won't second-guess the law enforcement community on this one. i do wonder why not. i'm not going to second-guess. >> right now you would lean on the side of get the public's help. if we have pictures. you think some of the concern is what if these aren't the guys or if they're not at 100%, is that the issue you think potentially that they don't want to put these two people on here and what if it turns out they weren't a part of it? >> that's part of the psychology of resistance....
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it is reported that a law enforcement official is saying that an arrest is imminent. nbc news has not independently confirmed that so we're being cautious with it. scott is working the story up in boston. >> and it's time for street signs. >> we are start the show early today because we are packed. breaking news and moments on the
it is reported that a law enforcement official is saying that an arrest is imminent. nbc news has not independently confirmed that so we're being cautious with it. scott is working the story up in boston. >> and it's time for street signs. >> we are start the show early today because we are packed. breaking news and moments on the
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to admit that they are the ones who started the fire but to this day however no members of the law enforcement have ever been held accountable for this massacre and on this same day two years later the oklahoma city bombing on wednesday april nineteenth one thousand nine hundred five at nine am a massive explosion went off in the alfred p. murrah federal building which left a hundred sixty eight people dead and one thousand which were children and over six hundred injured the man behind the respect terrorist attack was timothy mcveigh revealed that his decision to bomb them or a building was in retaliation to the federal raid on waco mcveigh was later sentenced to death by lethal injection here's a caucasian male so if there's anything that we can take away from this week's unfolding drama bloody history it's that terror has no nationality race or religion i was pretty upset. a little. for she let me feel like. i missed this week's tragic mayhem when news story of slipped under the radar that could have profound implications for american citizens i'm talking about the house passing the cyber i
to admit that they are the ones who started the fire but to this day however no members of the law enforcement have ever been held accountable for this massacre and on this same day two years later the oklahoma city bombing on wednesday april nineteenth one thousand nine hundred five at nine am a massive explosion went off in the alfred p. murrah federal building which left a hundred sixty eight people dead and one thousand which were children and over six hundred injured the man behind the...
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to admit that they are the ones who started the fire but to this day however no members of the law enforcement have ever been held accountable for this massacre and on this same day two years later with the oklahoma city bombing on wednesday april nineteenth one thousand nine hundred five at nine am a massive explosion went off in the alfred p. murrah federal building which left a hundred sixty eight people dead nineteen of which were children and over six hundred injured the man behind the rest a terrorist attack was timothy mcveigh revealed that his decision to bomb them or a building was in retaliation for the federal raid on waco mcveigh was later sentenced to death by lethal injection here's a caucasian male so if there's anything that we can take away from this week's unfolding drama bloody history it's that terror has no nationality race or religion i was pretty upset. a little. or she let me feel like. i missed this week's tragic mayhem when news story of slipped under the radar could have profound implications for american citizens i'm talking about the house passing the cyber intelli
to admit that they are the ones who started the fire but to this day however no members of the law enforcement have ever been held accountable for this massacre and on this same day two years later with the oklahoma city bombing on wednesday april nineteenth one thousand nine hundred five at nine am a massive explosion went off in the alfred p. murrah federal building which left a hundred sixty eight people dead nineteen of which were children and over six hundred injured the man behind the...
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the element of surprise is on the side of law enforcement. the suspect doesn't know they are coming. they are completely disorienting and it usually covers whatever action you are trying to do. want to come in with weapons drawn, b night vision, you control the situation. it takes a while to recover from one. you usually lose your hearing. jahar sinayev, 19 years old. this is the suspect at the center of all this attention tonight. there is his picture. this started when we saw the first two images. this brother duo. both suspects yesterday. spent his early childhood in the russian caucasus region near chechnya. came to the united states ten years ago. this next fact is something that didn't receive a lot of traction today. he became a naturalized citizen on september 11 of 2012. he was currently enrolled at the university, u-mass dartmouth. he was a wrestler growing up in school in cambridge. cannot tell you how many witnesses told journalists today -- kind, approachable, great kid, something must have gone wrong. this was a huge disconnect.
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well one of the biggest problems with this but is that it creates an exception to all of the privacy laws on the books right now so that companies that hold incredibly sensitive information like internet records can share it with other companies or directly with the government it's written so broadly though that they can go directly to military agencies like the n.s.a. and allow them to collect information on americans and. a very strong wall here in the united states between our civilian and our military and we don't let the military act against americans on u.s. soil it has it's rooted in our very founding of our country and this is a very dangerous bill because it allows the military to start collecting information on americans and something that i forgot to say was that these are actually the main problems with the bill that you have outlined the amendments that were fixed yet for the build and move forward what about the limit sharing of personal information another issue with the bill is that it doesn't say that companies need to extract the personal information before they share th
well one of the biggest problems with this but is that it creates an exception to all of the privacy laws on the books right now so that companies that hold incredibly sensitive information like internet records can share it with other companies or directly with the government it's written so broadly though that they can go directly to military agencies like the n.s.a. and allow them to collect information on americans and. a very strong wall here in the united states between our civilian and...
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the fact that they uncovered other explosive material and devices, certainly public safety has to be law enforcement's greatest concern. you try to get as much information to protect the public from potential devices being out there and or whether or not there's other members of the cell out there planning similar events. >> we know police are saying they found handguns, a rifle, six bombs at the shootout scene. what does that tell you about what they were planning? >> it tells you they weren't done certainly, which obviously is fortunate they were able to prevent them from the next event. obviously if they can uncover any other devices that might be out there that poses public safety risk, that's important as well. >> you tried richard reed in criminal court and got a conviction. others that say, saxby chambliss bliss most prominent among them, that tsarnaev should be tried perhaps as enemy combatant, not even in u.s. criminal court. what do you think of that? >> i think the department in the military has to at least make that assessment, does it make more sense to determine he is an en
the fact that they uncovered other explosive material and devices, certainly public safety has to be law enforcement's greatest concern. you try to get as much information to protect the public from potential devices being out there and or whether or not there's other members of the cell out there planning similar events. >> we know police are saying they found handguns, a rifle, six bombs at the shootout scene. what does that tell you about what they were planning? >> it tells you...
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the complaint, the charges do carry the death penalty under federal law. it might include the killing of the mit. you can see around me in boston's back bay, people gathering around for the moment of silence. it is hard to believe that it has been a week since what has transpired in that week since the two bombs went off at the end of the boston marathon last month. >> run us through what the next step will be and when. >> what we had today is in tsarnaev's hospital bed, an initial appearance, which is typically what happens in federal court where the defendant is advised of his rights. bail would be set by a magistrate. and down the road now next month there will be a probable cause hear i hearing there is also the potential that he could decide to enter a plea to the charges. we will see how that goes. he will be represented by federal public defenders. he will get representation within the u.s. justice system. he has been read his rights just by the nature of this initial appearance so he is going through the justice system as opposed to, as some have c
the complaint, the charges do carry the death penalty under federal law. it might include the killing of the mit. you can see around me in boston's back bay, people gathering around for the moment of silence. it is hard to believe that it has been a week since what has transpired in that week since the two bombs went off at the end of the boston marathon last month. >> run us through what the next step will be and when. >> what we had today is in tsarnaev's hospital bed, an initial...
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rather than taking it to the innocent second amendment law abiding citizen. >> reporter: usually a vice president arrives to preside over a winning vote. biden was here to witness its defeat. >> the amendment is not agreed to. >> reporter: four democrats from red states with high gun ownership also voted no. in talking to those democrats who voted no, they say they had intense pressure from their home state constituents who did not want to see expanded background checks. also tonight, senators voted down an assault weapons ban and limits on high capacity ammunition. it is possible that democrats will simply shelve this legislation in order to try again some day down the line. brian? >> again, the president calling this round one. kelly o'donnell on the hill tonight after an eventful day there. kelly, thanks. >>> still ahead for us this evening, the unsettling development elsewhere in washington. who sent letters laced with ricin to the president and at least one u.s. senator? evacuations there today as memories of the anthrax attacks came rushing back. >>> later, making a difference. th
rather than taking it to the innocent second amendment law abiding citizen. >> reporter: usually a vice president arrives to preside over a winning vote. biden was here to witness its defeat. >> the amendment is not agreed to. >> reporter: four democrats from red states with high gun ownership also voted no. in talking to those democrats who voted no, they say they had intense pressure from their home state constituents who did not want to see expanded background checks. also...
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there were dozens upon dozens of law enforcement officials exchanging gunfire with him. apparently they got out of the suv, then back into it, his brother was shot, wounded, almost killed, then they sort of drove -- he drove that suv himself away from there. and then fled on foot. but the question remains, how is somebody who is a 19-year-old kid, with no formal military training, who obviously was wounded, from what we know that he's here at the hospital, how he's able to evade capture for that long. apparently he used the cover of nightfall to find that boat, get underneath that tarp, and just sat there, and it was very, very close to where that incident had occurred. just a matter of blocks. in fact, our own kerry sanders yesterday had been in that vicinity for the duration of the day, and we knew this was starting to happen when kerry sanders goes we just heard gunshots. we just heard gunshots, folks moving a few blocks up. quite remarkable that he was able to evade capture, wounded, with no formal military training. that's certainly a question a lot of people are go
there were dozens upon dozens of law enforcement officials exchanging gunfire with him. apparently they got out of the suv, then back into it, his brother was shot, wounded, almost killed, then they sort of drove -- he drove that suv himself away from there. and then fled on foot. but the question remains, how is somebody who is a 19-year-old kid, with no formal military training, who obviously was wounded, from what we know that he's here at the hospital, how he's able to evade capture for...
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but in a post 9/11 world, we've always said if your community law enforcement, the community of law enforcement, political figures ask you to do certain things, listen carefully and do them. they've complied. and you look at these two individuals, you use one part of the family, use assimilation, it worked well. here, almost chameleon-like, one only knows what dented their hearts, what dented their heads, what ideological impulse drove them to this. but i think it sends a signal to all of us that these weren't necessarily sophisticated terrorists, no it will a grand design orchestrated from overseas, they may be amateurs, but they're lethal amateurs. unfortunately, that's the kind of reality we're going to be dealing with for quite some time. >> david gregory, the administration, according to chuck todd, there was a previously scheduled national security council meeting today. we know secretary of state kerry was meeting with his mexican counterpart. and at this hour, to all of you google hangout fans he and i were supposed to be in a moderated conversation right now and they had to postpone th
but in a post 9/11 world, we've always said if your community law enforcement, the community of law enforcement, political figures ask you to do certain things, listen carefully and do them. they've complied. and you look at these two individuals, you use one part of the family, use assimilation, it worked well. here, almost chameleon-like, one only knows what dented their hearts, what dented their heads, what ideological impulse drove them to this. but i think it sends a signal to all of us...
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>> i just thing that's good law enforcement by all of the law enforcement agencies. even though it appears that the fbi is kind of the lead in this, and that's a good thing. somebody's got to be the lead. but all of these people are working together and their talents and trade and information gathered and so forth and i think that's what they have done is put this together and they've had law enforcement agencies not just in the boston area but perhaps throughout the country and the u.s. as to what information they have as to what clues they may have developed as the direction that they go. and trust me, oftentimes you might start off going and you think that's the right direction and then somebody brings in another bundle of information and you realize that you need go another course. but that's good law enforcement and good working together. >> all right. don clark, thank you. >> thank you. >> we saw the city come together this morning at the in ter faith service, and straight ahead another moving moment that will show how boston is standing together. you're going
>> i just thing that's good law enforcement by all of the law enforcement agencies. even though it appears that the fbi is kind of the lead in this, and that's a good thing. somebody's got to be the lead. but all of these people are working together and their talents and trade and information gathered and so forth and i think that's what they have done is put this together and they've had law enforcement agencies not just in the boston area but perhaps throughout the country and the u.s....
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the mother-in-law of the boston suspect is sicken pood by the horror he inflicted. the family realizes they never really knew tamerlan tsarnaev as at and cannot comprehend. he was killed in the shoot out with the police. we are learning about the suspect suspect under police guard. the 19 year old reportedly attended a party two days after the bombs went off in the boston marathon. in light of the lock down, boston is starting to get back to normalcy. trains and courts and schools all shut down bringing the economy to a stand still. we are told that the boston red sox game is back on with the kansas city royalless. the boston brupins cancelled last night continues today. they love sports. they just root for the wrong team but love sports. rudy guiliani is a yankees fan and knows about dealing with post crisis. we were talking about cost of the freedom. you had a longer lag with the search for victims and answers and it went on and on . i don't want to be a doomsdayer on this, mayor, and it seems like we are sort of jumping to conclusion, and problems solve would and
the mother-in-law of the boston suspect is sicken pood by the horror he inflicted. the family realizes they never really knew tamerlan tsarnaev as at and cannot comprehend. he was killed in the shoot out with the police. we are learning about the suspect suspect under police guard. the 19 year old reportedly attended a party two days after the bombs went off in the boston marathon. in light of the lock down, boston is starting to get back to normalcy. trains and courts and schools all shut down...
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law enforcement offials say it could not be a more dicey, serious situation. also, george, we're also being given some guidance that law enforcement officials believe that these men were forced to ground in part by the release of those pictures and the video yesterday that created massive pressure on them and some law enforcement officials say that's why they took the action that they probably took last night robbing that 7-eleven. >> and, pierre, these guys were armed up, not only the firepower, the sidearms they had but grenades and another pressure cooker bomb. >> reporter: yes, one law enforcement official said at least one pressure cooker bomb was found at one of the crime scenes and, again, the scene of them throwing grenades and bombs out of the windows of their cars as they were shooting at police, one official said it was like something out of a movie. >> we know that boston is a city on lockdown right now. the situation is so tense overnight that one of our own abc news producers was apprehended by police and detained and questioned. abc's linsey dav
law enforcement offials say it could not be a more dicey, serious situation. also, george, we're also being given some guidance that law enforcement officials believe that these men were forced to ground in part by the release of those pictures and the video yesterday that created massive pressure on them and some law enforcement officials say that's why they took the action that they probably took last night robbing that 7-eleven. >> and, pierre, these guys were armed up, not only the...
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the mother-in-law she is sickened by the horror inflicted. the family realizes now they never really new tamerian tsarnaev, the suspect number one and cannot begin to comprehend this tragedy. we are all over the developments including something going on in the city of chicago. more on that in a second. here is what we got for you now. mike tobin in watertown, massachusetts. what is the latest on the investigation there. ed henry at the white house responding to all these crosscurrents everywhere. to eric shawn where the injured suspect remains not surprisingly under heavy guard. mike? >> reporter: neil, this is the i dill i can neighborhood where it came to an end in a blaze of gunfire. the view of the helicopter pilot had there was someone hiding in that boat. he was wounded and bleeding, dzhokar tsarnaev half an hour from the cover of night that could have allowed him to move again. there were federal agents and guns drawn and at the ready to create a scene that people in this neighborhood would like to never see again. >> about 25 police c
the mother-in-law she is sickened by the horror inflicted. the family realizes now they never really new tamerian tsarnaev, the suspect number one and cannot begin to comprehend this tragedy. we are all over the developments including something going on in the city of chicago. more on that in a second. here is what we got for you now. mike tobin in watertown, massachusetts. what is the latest on the investigation there. ed henry at the white house responding to all these crosscurrents...
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and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people of interest they just want to question. to understand what the broader conspiracy might have been. >> nbc news terrorism analyst, roger cressey. thanks for your time. >>> i want to bring in nbc's michael isikoff. who is with us in watertown. michael, we were seeing some helicopter activity in the skies over there. we know that there is a no-fly zone over much of boston. the city is on lockdown. can you give us an update? >> exactly, alex. for about the last 15 minutes we've had military style helicopters circling above us here. this is where we are i
and that's what law enforcement is going to determine. there could be individuals who knew them, knew of them but had no reason to believe that they were going to do anything violent. those are some of the most pressing questions right now. so i mean there's three categories here -- the first is bring tsarnaev to justice, hopefully alive. identify any additional packages that could be ieds in the greater boston area. and then third, identify any individuals, other potential suspects or people...
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and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers without the miranda rights and still use that information in court. so when does the clock tick on that period of the public safety exception? the moment you make an arrest, the moment you begin an interrogation, what? i mean, i think the justice department will take the position that it begins the moment they begin talking to him. but i suppose his lawyers can certainly say that the time had elapsed so much since his arrest that it's hard to assert that exception. my guess is that there's no clear rule here in the federal government. this is kind of a legal rule that'
and i think it's fair to say the law isn't completely clear on this. let's us be clear on what we're talking about here. we're talking about the miranda warning. you have a right to remain silent. anything you say can be used against you. you have the right to a lawyer, all that stuff. what the united states government has decided to do is invoke an exception to that rule. which says that when there is a danger to public safety and you need to get answers quickly, you can get the answers...
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supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb political analyst and republican strategist john feehery. somehow i have a different attitude towards the republicans and the democrats who voted on this thing. i don't know why it is because i'm not always partisan. but i really do have a problem with mitch mcconnell. i would like to see him get stung hard on this one. why do i think like that? because he tends to be an s.o.b. generally? does anybody like that guy? >> you don't like mr. mcconnell but i like him. >> you like mr. mcconnell. >> i don't think this is going to hurt him. >> you'r
supported by law enforcement officers. it was a common sense plan, but senator mcconnell ignored the will of the people. >> and democrats who voted against background checks or better background checks for gun buyers are hardly off the hook. the progressive change campaign committee ran this ad in seven newspapers across montana on sunday. this sunday. featuring local gun owners angry about senator max baucus' vote. joining me right now, david axelrod, former obama senior adviser. msnb...
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federal law enforcement and local law enforcement are working together. being out in boston, i'm at massachusetts general, mass general hospital, it doesn't feel like the boston you know. if you have ever been to boston before, it's a very serious night. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >>> in the boston marathon, the moment when boylston street has the largest number of runners crossing the finish line at once happens two hours after that start. today when it was most crowded with runners, two hours after a woman from ethiopia won the marathon, this happened.
federal law enforcement and local law enforcement are working together. being out in boston, i'm at massachusetts general, mass general hospital, it doesn't feel like the boston you know. if you have ever been to boston before, it's a very serious night. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >>> in the boston marathon, the moment when boylston street has the largest number of runners crossing the finish line at once happens two hours after that start....
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that according to two law enforcement sources. as pete is saying, it appears that his officials say that there's now this defen tif link to the link to the bomb suspects. i'm told that it is a strong possibility given the visual and physical evidence that has been recovered at these multiple crime scenes. and i'm still waiting to hear that definitive information. but, as evidenced from the massive response and the unbelievable set of incidents that took place here this evening and the fbi now out in full force, investigating and tracking this second suspect, it appears a very strong possibility that these two incidents are linked, both tonight's, overnight chaos with the killing of a police officer and the shootings that took place and the bombing at the boston marathon. so -- >> jonathan, do we know -- now, we have a strong belief that these men are linked to the bombing, were they the ones in the photos released yesterday? >> yes. if pete, from his sources saying that the white hat and black hat suspects have been identified and
that according to two law enforcement sources. as pete is saying, it appears that his officials say that there's now this defen tif link to the link to the bomb suspects. i'm told that it is a strong possibility given the visual and physical evidence that has been recovered at these multiple crime scenes. and i'm still waiting to hear that definitive information. but, as evidenced from the massive response and the unbelievable set of incidents that took place here this evening and the fbi now...
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that's part of what we were saying was the militarization of law enforcement. that kit looks like a member of infantry in iraq or afghanistan. this is what has happened since 9/11 as homeland security, lester holt was blunt about saying 9/11 funding. all these cities and towns now have these tricked out armored vehicles and the degree to which s.w.a.t. teams have changed and been upgraded has been dramatic and remarkable and we're seeing it in the streets. we're joined on the telephone by a doctor who has many, many fewer than six degrees of separation to this story. doctor, as i understand it, you live in watertown and the story starts when you heard gunfire last night. had you been aware of the situation at the m.i.t. campus prior to that? >> yeah, that's correct. i actually was watching the news while doing some work at home. saw a little later on saw police cars floodininto watertown along the charles river. and shortly after that, i heard gunfire and some explosions. when i heard the explosions, i knew that this was something very significant and called th
that's part of what we were saying was the militarization of law enforcement. that kit looks like a member of infantry in iraq or afghanistan. this is what has happened since 9/11 as homeland security, lester holt was blunt about saying 9/11 funding. all these cities and towns now have these tricked out armored vehicles and the degree to which s.w.a.t. teams have changed and been upgraded has been dramatic and remarkable and we're seeing it in the streets. we're joined on the telephone by a...
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law . is dead. creating his life to just one goal learning the koran by heart he spends eight hours every day to achieve just that. he has already memorized the most important. but because it hasn't studied the arabic language he doesn't yet fully understand their meaning. who. at the end of each day students have to read five pages of the koran to the teacher after that the entire school takes part in a common prayer. i'd. guess just then the mud we get up an hour before prayer we pray and then go to our classrooms but don't classic one of their we all repeat what we have learned after that we pray again then we read the most delicious after breakfast we read yet again and then after lunch we memorize what we learned a class. apart from scripture the students also have lessons in sport. taught from childhood that life is a struggle. but even on the wrestling mat they must play by shari'a rules. mission chianti according to sharia law we can strike the head that's a sin. wrestling is allowed with bo
law . is dead. creating his life to just one goal learning the koran by heart he spends eight hours every day to achieve just that. he has already memorized the most important. but because it hasn't studied the arabic language he doesn't yet fully understand their meaning. who. at the end of each day students have to read five pages of the koran to the teacher after that the entire school takes part in a common prayer. i'd. guess just then the mud we get up an hour before prayer we pray and...